Comments on: refusing treatment http://www.type-1-diabetes.zolushka123.com/2004/11/25/refusing-treatment/ for anyone who has been touched by this disease Fri, 05 Dec 2008 02:59:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.1 By: Arlen Roberts http://www.type-1-diabetes.zolushka123.com/2004/11/25/refusing-treatment/#comment-3950 Arlen Roberts Sun, 17 Jul 2005 04:49:30 +0000 http://www.type-1-diabetes.zolushka123.com/2004/11/25/refusing-treatment/#comment-3950 Rob, you just called someone 'silly!' Please, excuse me, but I have my doubts that you are 25. J Rob, you just called someone ’silly!’ Please, excuse me, but I have my doubts that you are 25.

J

]]> By: Arlen Roberts http://www.type-1-diabetes.zolushka123.com/2004/11/25/refusing-treatment/#comment-3949 Arlen Roberts Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:30:19 +0000 http://www.type-1-diabetes.zolushka123.com/2004/11/25/refusing-treatment/#comment-3949 Lori, I can only think of 2 reasons why hot tubs or baths MAY cause any kind of a problem... 1) They dilate the blood vessels causing blood pressure to drop dramatically. It can really take its toll when you stand up. That is orthostatic hypotension compounded by the already dilated blood vessels. If you are having a low sugar episode, and have lower blood pressure, then even less glucose is going to your brain cells. Hence the 'hot tub combat.' 2) The chlorine in the hot tub or soap in the bathtub can break down the secretions in the female orifices, leading to bladder or feminine infections much more readily. That is why bubble baths are a big NO. These secretions are on the acidic side, and help to control the bacterial count in those areas. When they are gone, the bacteria from other places have a field day. Sorry if this was TMI (too much information.) Too much info is WAY better than not enough. But, thank you very much for sharing your story. It may be another idea to compile a bunch of these stories and publish them. If you are within a drive of Gatlinburg, TN, the next time we go to use our chalet there, I will let you know and you and your family are invited to join us. There is a hot tub there, and my hub knows exactly what to do if either of us gets goofy. Joan Lori,

I can only think of 2 reasons why hot tubs or baths MAY cause any kind of a problem…

1) They dilate the blood vessels causing blood pressure to drop dramatically. It can really take its toll when you stand up. That is orthostatic hypotension compounded by the already dilated blood vessels. If you are having a low sugar episode, and have lower blood pressure, then even less glucose is going to your brain cells. Hence the ‘hot tub combat.’

2) The chlorine in the hot tub or soap in the bathtub can break down the secretions in the female orifices, leading to bladder or feminine infections much more readily. That is why bubble baths are a big NO. These secretions are on the acidic side, and help to control the bacterial count in those areas. When they are gone, the bacteria from other places have a field day.

Sorry if this was TMI (too much information.) Too much info is WAY better than not enough.

But, thank you very much for sharing your story. It may be another idea to compile a bunch of these stories and publish them. If you are within a drive of Gatlinburg, TN, the next time we go to use our chalet there, I will let you know and you and your family are invited to join us. There is a hot tub there, and my hub knows exactly what to do if either of us gets goofy.

Joan

]]> By: Arlen Roberts http://www.type-1-diabetes.zolushka123.com/2004/11/25/refusing-treatment/#comment-3944 Arlen Roberts Thu, 07 Jul 2005 08:44:49 +0000 http://www.type-1-diabetes.zolushka123.com/2004/11/25/refusing-treatment/#comment-3944 Lori, I support you 100%. You are no fool, you know yourself better than any of the doctors, and, as Harry Truman would say, "Give 'em hell, Lori!" The docs are not supposed to be our enemies. And the nurses are supposed to be caring. Why, they even TEACH caring behaviors in nursing school! Some people have to graduate at the bottom of their class, though. I think you may have had one. Joan Lori,

I support you 100%. You are no fool, you know yourself better than any of the doctors, and, as Harry Truman would say, “Give ‘em hell, Lori!”

The docs are not supposed to be our enemies. And the nurses are supposed to be caring. Why, they even TEACH caring behaviors in nursing school! Some people have to graduate at the bottom of their class, though. I think you may have had one.

Joan

]]> By: Neva Marjory http://www.type-1-diabetes.zolushka123.com/2004/11/25/refusing-treatment/#comment-3941 Neva Marjory Mon, 04 Jul 2005 10:36:44 +0000 http://www.type-1-diabetes.zolushka123.com/2004/11/25/refusing-treatment/#comment-3941 As the one who started this thread, and as one looking for support in an incredibly hard time, it really hurts to be referred to as a fool. :( I was very angry at the time, and I wanted to put my pump back on. That I was not allowed and was informed that I would take the lantus even if the security guards had to hold me down was NOT a fair call on the part of a doctor who spent less than 20 minutes with me. -- All who see me jeer at me; they toss their heads and sneer... Oh God, my God, why have you abandonded me? --Psalm 22 As the one who started this thread, and as one looking for support in an incredibly hard time, it really hurts to be referred to as a fool. :( I was very angry at the time, and I wanted to put my pump back on. That I was not allowed and was informed that I would take the lantus even if the security guards had to hold me down was NOT a fair call on the part of a doctor who spent less than 20 minutes with me.

–
All who see me jeer at me; they
toss their heads and sneer…
Oh God, my God, why have you
abandonded me?
–Psalm 22

]]> By: Arlen Roberts http://www.type-1-diabetes.zolushka123.com/2004/11/25/refusing-treatment/#comment-3940 Arlen Roberts Sun, 03 Jul 2005 13:56:51 +0000 http://www.type-1-diabetes.zolushka123.com/2004/11/25/refusing-treatment/#comment-3940 Lori, I do the same thing. If I am concious enough after going super low, and that usually only takes 10 minutes, there is not a snowball's chance that I am going to any ER. Even if I work in one, there is no way I am going to one. ew. The only time the paramedic experience was good was when I opened my eyes to 4 really attractive ones in my bedroom. Joan Lori,

I do the same thing. If I am concious enough after going super low, and that usually only takes 10 minutes, there is not a snowball’s chance that I am going to any ER. Even if I work in one, there is no way I am going to one. ew.

The only time the paramedic experience was good was when I opened my eyes to 4 really attractive ones in my bedroom.

Joan

]]> By: Arlen Roberts http://www.type-1-diabetes.zolushka123.com/2004/11/25/refusing-treatment/#comment-3922 Arlen Roberts Sat, 04 Jun 2005 19:52:23 +0000 http://www.type-1-diabetes.zolushka123.com/2004/11/25/refusing-treatment/#comment-3922 Oh, I would be sooooo PI__ED! They did not teach us THAT in nursing school. How dare they? Joan Oh, I would be sooooo PI__ED! They did not teach us THAT in nursing school. How dare they?

Joan

]]> By: Neva Marjory http://www.type-1-diabetes.zolushka123.com/2004/11/25/refusing-treatment/#comment-3921 Neva Marjory Wed, 01 Jun 2005 03:34:42 +0000 http://www.type-1-diabetes.zolushka123.com/2004/11/25/refusing-treatment/#comment-3921 Joan, Just so you know, if you are on a medical hold, like I was, you do not have the right to refuse treatment. :( -- All who see me jeer at me; they toss their heads and sneer... Oh God, my God, why have you abandonded me? --Psalm 22 Joan,

Just so you know, if you are on a medical hold, like I was, you do not have the right to refuse treatment. :(
–
All who see me jeer at me; they
toss their heads and sneer…
Oh God, my God, why have you
abandonded me?
–Psalm 22

]]> By: Arlen Roberts http://www.type-1-diabetes.zolushka123.com/2004/11/25/refusing-treatment/#comment-3744 Arlen Roberts Thu, 25 Nov 2004 09:25:44 +0000 http://www.type-1-diabetes.zolushka123.com/2004/11/25/refusing-treatment/#comment-3744 Jennifer, I DO know how to take care of my diabetes. I am quite aware of the signs and symptoms of MOST diabetics having an insulin reaction. The problem arises when I have NO symptoms of one, and am only aware of it AFTER I have been stuck with glucagon. I have witnesses. I feel it is completely unethical on the physician's part to enforce me to keep my diabetes between 80 and 120. As stated in a previous post, this is asking for trouble in someone who has no symptoms of the low sugar. To withhold insulin from a diabetic is murder. Period. I am truly glad that you are so well controlled, Jennifer. Do you exercise as well? I plan on it after I graduate nursing school. Regards, Joan Jennifer,

I DO know how to take care of my diabetes. I am quite aware of the signs and symptoms of MOST diabetics having an insulin reaction. The problem arises when I have NO symptoms of one, and am only aware of it AFTER I have been stuck with glucagon. I have witnesses.

I feel it is completely unethical on the physician’s part to enforce me to keep my diabetes between 80 and 120. As stated in a previous post, this is asking for trouble in someone who has no symptoms of the low sugar. To withhold insulin from a diabetic is murder. Period.

I am truly glad that you are so well controlled, Jennifer. Do you exercise as well? I plan on it after I graduate nursing school.

Regards,

Joan

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